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THE TRAVELLING ALICE & THE PIRATES PANTS! JROCK VISUAL KEI MALE FASHION, BOYSTYLE & JAPANESE MEN'S GOTH ARISTOCRAT CLOTHING.


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Thumbs up… to raiding Carmina’s suitcase and trying on her clothes.

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Ementhy immediately threw on my leather jacket and rifled through my pockets (he found a Japanese manga cafe tissue pack). Lemon dropped his jeans and got into my Alice and the Pirates pirate pants with the butt ruff.

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All of us could fit into each other’s pants, like in that chick flick. We joked that we’re the Travelling Trannyhood of the Pirate Pants! Like in celebrity magazines, I’ll ask: who wore it best? (Let us know in the comments.)

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Everyone recognizes Yukiro’s pink Cheshire Cat wig, which he wore in the Andrew Zimmern Bizarre World episode. It can double as a Visual Kei shoulder ornament.

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Can I tell you how happy I was to fit into Ementhy’s tiny ripped-up jeans? The tradeoff spiraled out of control: the pirate pants are mine (worn by Ementhy), the white pants are his (worn by me), the red pants are Lemon’s (worn by Ementhy). To add to the confusion, many of these mens pants are actually for women.

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I wanted to steal Lemon’s red pants. We like the color red; how about you?

Boys, do you buy and wear women’s pants? (Many of my male friends prefer the fit.) Girls, do you enjoy getting into guy’s pants? (Oops, that came out wrong…)

Song of the Day #253: Blur – Girls and Boys (Love the bassline and the lyrics are perfection.)


  • ibrremote

    Awesomely cool.

  • Viva_La_Escapism

    I have two guy friends that buy is women's pants, and they look gorgeous! They keep getting girl's attention because they look so cute (shame they're not into girls, eep~) so one of their straight friends tried it. It works apparently XDD I prefer guys with skinnier pants, no idea why, but it looks good~ These two as well! Let Lemon know to watch himself, I'm out for his red pants…

  • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

    Incidentally, those red pants you wanted to steal tore when I got back to Phoenix!

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      They TORE??? How?? It wasn’t my fault, I didn’t stretch them with my womanly hips! :P

      • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

        Well they were already fraying in a certain place, and just the other day when I took them off, they rent!

  • Anonymous

    Awesomely cool.

  • Anonymous

    I have two guy friends that buy is women’s pants, and they look gorgeous! They keep getting girl’s attention because they look so cute (shame they’re not into girls, eep~) so one of their straight friends tried it. It works apparently XDD I prefer guys with skinnier pants, no idea why, but it looks good~ These two as well! Let Lemon know to watch himself, I’m out for his red pants…

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Yeah, there’re something about the big-hair, skinny-pants look eh?

  • http://www.nakasnet.blogspot.com/ Naka

    super cute ^^
    yeah I noe quite alot of guys that wear girl jeans

    I like boy jeans ;)

  • Ayame

    AND Lemon wore it best xD

  • http://www.nakasnet.blogspot.com/ Naka

    super cute ^^
    yeah I noe quite alot of guys that wear girl jeans

    I like boy jeans ;)

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Hahah you wear boy jeans, they wear girl jeans… that works!

  • http://www.facebook.com/eunice.ayame.yin Ayame

    Red pants! STEAL *shifty eyes*
    my boyfriend refuses to wears skinny jeans and i made him wear one once xD
    SHOOO CUTEEE :D

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      hahaha as you can see in the comment above, they ripped later on… :(

  • http://www.facebook.com/eunice.ayame.yin Ayame

    AND Lemon wore it best xD

    • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

      I am honored! *gentlemanly bow*

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    They TORE??? How?? It wasn't my fault, I didn't stretch them with my womanly hips! :P

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    hahaha as you can see in the comment above, they ripped later on… :(

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Hahah you wear boy jeans, they wear girl jeans… that works!

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Yeah, there're something about the big-hair, skinny-pants look eh?

  • Regi

    The one on the left looks like one of my british friends…

  • Michelle

    what cuties~ ♥

  • Moon Maiden 90

    *haha* so amusing…
    It's hard to say who wore what better…u all look pretty dashing! lol
    & of course I like red, It's my Favorite color! ^-^

  • Infinity

    Hey that's cool and fun !

  • Tofu4me

    LOL @ cute boy pants = Hot stuff. <3 And yes, every so often, I do enjoy “getting into guy's pants”! Teehee.

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    I thought of you!! Seems like everyone wants to get her hands on those pants…

  • alicebello

    O_O Ementhy reminds me of Christian Siriano. XD

  • Gili

    These boys have sick hair.

  • psuedohappy

    That blog made me crack up. Everybody looks amazing!!

  • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

    I am honored! *gentlemanly bow*

  • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

    I'm really glad you think so, this was traveling hair, after driving 5 hours and riding on the train 2! XD

  • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

    Well they were already fraying in a certain place, and just the other day when I took them off, they rent!

  • Farah

    you have the most incredible boots! And I think the red pants are rad!

  • Tofu4me

    I have to say.. both Ementhy & Lemon look great in your AaTP pants ^^ You all rocked it good!

  • Regi

    The one on the left looks like one of my british friends…

  • Michelle

    what cuties~ ♥

  • Moon Maiden 90

    *haha* so amusing…
    It’s hard to say who wore what better…u all look pretty dashing! lol
    & of course I like red, It’s my Favorite color! ^-^

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      I thought of you!! Seems like everyone wants to get her hands on those pants…

  • Infinity

    Hey that’s cool and fun !

  • Tofu4me

    LOL @ cute boy pants = Hot stuff. <3 And yes, every so often, I do enjoy "getting into guy's pants"! Teehee.

  • Seiran

    I think all of you look pretty hot in everything xD What's that shirt you're wearing though?? x_x It's so colourful I WANT IT I WANT IT!!

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    heheh thanks! The shirt is by Vivienne Tam. It has prints of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant god, all over it! I bought it almost 10 years ago in Hong Kong.

  • Anonymous

    O_O Ementhy reminds me of Christian Siriano. XD

  • Gili

    These boys have sick hair.

    • http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

      I’m really glad you think so, this was traveling hair, after driving 5 hours and riding on the train 2! XD

  • psuedohappy

    That blog made me crack up. Everybody looks amazing!!

  • http://hibari-sensei.livejournal.com/ Jen

    Lemon is on his way to ouji style in those pirate pants. All he needs are some accessories and more frills.

    It amuses when girls (and my female relatives) say that they want my skater shorts because I know most of them wouldn't shop in the boys' section. I, on the other hand, shop their all the time. Back when my brother was small enough to exchange clothes with me, he grabbed a hold of my vinyl jacket to cosplay Gackt. It was the one time he was okay with wearing girls' clothes.

  • Farah

    you have the most incredible boots! And I think the red pants are rad!

  • Tofu4me

    I have to say.. both Ementhy & Lemon look great in your AaTP pants ^^ You all rocked it good!

  • Seiran

    I think all of you look pretty hot in everything xD What’s that shirt you’re wearing though?? x_x It’s so colourful I WANT IT I WANT IT!!

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      heheh thanks! The shirt is by Vivienne Tam. It has prints of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant god, all over it! I bought it almost 10 years ago in Hong Kong.

  • http://hibari-sensei.livejournal.com/ Jen

    Lemon is on his way to ouji style in those pirate pants. All he needs are some accessories and more frills.

    It amuses when girls (and my female relatives) say that they want my skater shorts because I know most of them wouldn’t shop in the boys’ section. I, on the other hand, shop their all the time. Back when my brother was small enough to exchange clothes with me, he grabbed a hold of my vinyl jacket to cosplay Gackt. It was the one time he was okay with wearing girls’ clothes.

  • Stiv

    looks like things are going well,like your new cover pic. love your taste in life,the ten commandments is my favorite too
    god bless keep in touch

  • Samina

    I can't say I wear men's pants. Being an incredibly tall female (6 ft. even in my bare feet!) makes it hard to find women's pants that fit, especially with my body shape (very slender legs but a big butt and wide hips), but men's pants are just too loose and baggy for me.

    Now, I admit to wearing men's shirts, ties, vests, and hats and occasionally, even the shoes (my ex had some boots I “borrowed” on a few occasions) but I never did wear the pants, other than a pair of old fatigues from my father's military days. I prefer a tighter, more fitted look to my lower half if I'm in pants, so it's just no-go for me.

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Oh I LOVE to add in male accessories… I am notorious for borrowing vests and top hats and military jackets! It's fun to dip into another person's wardrobe.

  • Stiv

    looks like things are going well,like your new cover pic. love your taste in life,the ten commandments is my favorite too
    god bless keep in touch

  • Samina

    I can’t say I wear men’s pants. Being an incredibly tall female (6 ft. even in my bare feet!) makes it hard to find women’s pants that fit, especially with my body shape (very slender legs but a big butt and wide hips), but men’s pants are just too loose and baggy for me.

    Now, I admit to wearing men’s shirts, ties, vests, and hats and occasionally, even the shoes (my ex had some boots I “borrowed” on a few occasions) but I never did wear the pants, other than a pair of old fatigues from my father’s military days. I prefer a tighter, more fitted look to my lower half if I’m in pants, so it’s just no-go for me.

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Oh I LOVE to add in male accessories… I am notorious for borrowing vests and top hats and military jackets! It’s fun to dip into another person’s wardrobe.

  • Thomas

    Dipping into other people's wardrobes is great fun! The size issue can be a bit of a problem for me, but I once went with a girl who was the same shoe size as me (women's size 12! incredible luck!) and we were the same height and had quite a bit we could share. She was a bit of a tomboy so it worked smashingly for her, and as she was a metalhead there was quite a bit I could use, but nothing overly girly.

  • Thomas

    I wouldn't say he wore it better, but I really like the pirate pants with vest combination. They're all good, and the red pants are pretty genius, they definitely go with the Ganesh top (although I've been known to wear too much of one color, all that red might indicate that you're secretly the red power ranger, or member of some super powered team who's members are identified by wearing a single color. A comment I use to hear lol.)

    But I wear both men and women's pants. For awhile I didn't wear women's pants, as a crossdresser it was oddly one of the last articles of women's clothes I wore. I have a few executive tranny outfits including womens vests, shirts, and pants. Men can certainly pull them off without people knowing their women's clothes, although I've never been one to care if people did know.

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    It's funny, pants seem like they won't fit — but they do, and can surprisingly look good. I did NOT think I would be able to fit into their jeans but was able to — and liked the looks!

  • Thomas

    Dipping into other people’s wardrobes is great fun! The size issue can be a bit of a problem for me, but I once went with a girl who was the same shoe size as me (women’s size 12! incredible luck!) and we were the same height and had quite a bit we could share. She was a bit of a tomboy so it worked smashingly for her, and as she was a metalhead there was quite a bit I could use, but nothing overly girly.

  • Thomas

    I wouldn’t say he wore it better, but I really like the pirate pants with vest combination. They’re all good, and the red pants are pretty genius, they definitely go with the Ganesh top (although I’ve been known to wear too much of one color, all that red might indicate that you’re secretly the red power ranger, or member of some super powered team who’s members are identified by wearing a single color. A comment I use to hear lol.)

    But I wear both men and women’s pants. For awhile I didn’t wear women’s pants, as a crossdresser it was oddly one of the last articles of women’s clothes I wore. I have a few executive tranny outfits including womens vests, shirts, and pants. Men can certainly pull them off without people knowing their women’s clothes, although I’ve never been one to care if people did know.

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      It’s funny, pants seem like they won’t fit — but they do, and can surprisingly look good. I did NOT think I would be able to fit into their jeans but was able to — and liked the looks!

  • http://twitter.com/maribelmade Maribel Made

    That's sexy! I love the blouse…red is a great color! I'm digging Lemon in the pirate pants too. ;)

  • http://twitter.com/maribelmade Maribel Made

    That’s sexy! I love the blouse…red is a great color! I’m digging Lemon in the pirate pants too. ;)

  • Liet

    Speaking of crossdressing boys, something you'll probably enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJr-QAI2F8c&feat…

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Haha! You surely know what I like ;)

  • Liet

    Speaking of crossdressing boys, something you’ll probably enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJr-QAI2F8c&feature=related

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Haha! You surely know what I like ;)

  • http://www.ClintCatalyst.com clintcatalyst

    Score! Lemon in the pirate pants with butt flap…though, truth be told, it's because I immediately felt the “MUST. HAVE!” urge creeping over me like a mandible-chattering S.F. fog.

    ('Traveling Trannyhood' of the Pirate Pants? Good one, that!)

    On you, however? The red pants are full of win, and you look wicked adorable in them.

    You live here in L.A.? Why don't we know each other? (Or, DEAR DIETY: I hope I didn't clock you with 'Cuntiness' at the door of the pantheon of clubs where I used to work: Cherry, Make-Up, Synthetic, Bang–that circle, et al. It's astounding how many friends I have now who 'back in the day' thought I was some stiletto-tongued monster who bled black and sugar-free Red Bull. Character/caricature/but I digress…)

    Your site is slick and impeccably designed; truly, it puts my HTML-challenged ass to shame.

    And speaking of asses? I'm *way* all kinds of down with gender bending/b(l)ending, though here's the thing: you're familiar with both the term and the contagion known as “camel toe,” correct?

    Indie boys get what I refer to as “mammal toe *painful,*” as the extra room that's needed to accommodate certain jangly parts is in the derriere of girls' pants—rather than “up there,” where it's needed.

    It's rare that I rock anything other than skinny jeans, but I've found Tsubi/Ksubi is The Answer insofar as fitting [AHEM!] and flattering the nether-regions. (“Euphemisms Incorporated, please pick up the white courtesy phone… Euphemisms Incorporated, the white courtesy phone. Thank you.”)

    Ahh, but when it's a veritable 'gang' of gangly reps from the xy set, sauntering with their Kai straightening-ironed hair and outfits that are otherwise MOST CORRECT–save for a horizon of “mammal toe”?

    THEN. Then is when we have a case of “Mammal Toe Maximus”…(at which point I either volunteer or am elected to give the gents a stern “UH-UH.”)

    Let's face it: it's not about what section of a store a garment–or accessory!–comes from, nor is it about how inexpensive or astronomical the price tag. It's how everything looks when put together: even and especially how an individual feels when wearing it.

    I've had my girly-pant experiences, so as far as I'm concerned? I'll trump up my androgyny with accessories, girls' jackets–hell, yesterday a pair of clunky galoshes in a most obtrusive Hustler pink.

    To reiterate: love love love your blog! If I weren't procrastinating on a deadline as it is, I'd be flipping through some “How-To” guide in hopes of improving my *own* after this visit!

    Tear Down The Sky & Polish The Stars,
    Clint

  • http://www.ClintCatalyst.com clintcatalyst

    Score! Lemon in the pirate pants with butt flap…though, truth be told, it's because I immediately felt the “MUST. HAVE!” urge creeping over me like a mandible-chattering S.F. fog.

    ('Traveling Trannyhood' of the Pirate Pants? Good one, that!)

    On you, however? The red pants are full of win, and you look wicked adorable in them.

    You live here in L.A.? Why don't we know each other? (Or, DEAR DIETY: I hope I didn't clock you with 'Cuntiness' at the door of the pantheon of clubs where I used to work: Cherry, Make-Up, Synthetic, Bang–that circle, et al. It's astounding how many friends I have now who 'back in the day' thought I was some stiletto-tongued monster who bled black and sugar-free Red Bull. Character/caricature/but I digress…)

    Your site is slick and impeccably designed; truly, it puts my HTML-challenged ass to shame.

    And speaking of asses? I'm *way* all kinds of down with gender bending/b(l)ending, though here's the thing: you're familiar with both the term and the contagion known as “camel toe,” correct?

    Indie boys get what I refer to as “mammal toe *painful,*” as the extra room that's needed to accommodate certain jangly parts is in the derriere of girls' pants—rather than “up there,” where it's needed.

    It's rare that I rock anything other than skinny jeans, but I've found Tsubi/Ksubi is The Answer insofar as fitting [AHEM!] and flattering the nether-regions. (“Euphemisms Incorporated, please pick up the white courtesy phone… Euphemisms Incorporated, the white courtesy phone. Thank you.”)

    Ahh, but when it's a veritable 'gang' of gangly reps from the xy set, sauntering with their Kai straightening-ironed hair and outfits that are otherwise MOST CORRECT–save for a horizon of “mammal toe”?

    THEN. Then is when we have a case of “Mammal Toe Maximus”…(at which point I either volunteer or am elected to give the gents a stern “UH-UH.”)

    Let's face it: it's not about what section of a store a garment–or accessory!–comes from, nor is it about how inexpensive or astronomical the price tag. It's how everything looks when put together: even and especially how an individual feels when wearing it.

    I've had my girly-pant experiences, so as far as I'm concerned? I'll trump up my androgyny with accessories, girls' jackets–hell, yesterday a pair of clunky galoshes in a most obtrusive Hustler pink.

    To reiterate: love love love your blog! If I weren't procrastinating on a deadline as it is, I'd be flipping through some “How-To” guide in hopes of improving my *own* after this visit!

    Tear Down The Sky & Polish The Stars,
    Clint

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Hello dear Clint, fellow writer and decadent! ;)

    Much love love love to you too! I'm a nomad; I've been popping in and out of LA over the past few years. But I'm backkkk in February and early March with one of my favorite Tokyo spooks. We've got big plans — let's collaborate, let's make things happen together!

    I'll keep you posted on my February return; you can also reach me at gothiccarmina {at} gmail

    PS: the boys *did* experience exactly that — mammal toe from trying to fit into my girl-pants! Aptly worded, bravo.

  • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

    Hello dear Clint, fellow writer and decadent! ;)

    Much love love love to you too! I'm a nomad; I've been popping in and out of LA over the past few years. But I'm backkkk in February and early March with one of my favorite Tokyo spooks. We've got big plans — let's collaborate, let's make things happen together!

    I'll keep you posted on my February return; you can also reach me at gothiccarmina {at} gmail

    PS: the boys *did* experience exactly that — mammal toe from trying to fit into my girl-pants! Aptly worded, bravo.

  • http://www.ClintCatalyst.com/ clintcatalyst

    uh-oh… having some “issues” here. :/

    Crimson cheeks, & sincere apologies!

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Tech difficulties solved, I think! :) I responded below…

  • http://www.ClintCatalyst.com/ clintcatalyst

    Score! Lemon in the pirate pants with butt flap…though, truth be told, it’s because I immediately felt the “MUST. HAVE!” urge creeping over me like a mandible-chattering S.F. fog.

    (‘Traveling Trannyhood’ of the Pirate Pants? Good one, that!)

    On you, however? The red pants are full of win, and you look wicked adorable in them.

    You live here in L.A.? Why don’t we know each other? (Or, DEAR DIETY: I hope I didn’t clock you with ‘Cuntiness’ at the door of the pantheon of clubs where I used to work: Cherry, Make-Up, Synthetic, Bang–that circle, et al. It’s astounding how many friends I have now who ‘back in the day’ thought I was some stiletto-tongued monster who bled black and sugar-free Red Bull. Character/caricature/but I digress…)

    Your site is slick and impeccably designed; truly, it puts my HTML-challenged ass to shame.

    And speaking of asses? I’m *way* all kinds of down with gender bending/b(l)ending, though here’s the thing: you’re familiar with both the term and the contagion known as “camel toe,” correct?

    Indie boys get what I refer to as “mammal toe *painful,*” as the extra room that’s needed to accommodate certain jangly parts is in the derriere of girls’ pants—rather than “up there,” where it’s needed.

    It’s rare that I rock anything other than skinny jeans, but I’ve found Tsubi/Ksubi is The Answer insofar as fitting [AHEM!] and flattering the nether-regions. (“Euphemisms Incorporated, please pick up the white courtesy phone… Euphemisms Incorporated, the white courtesy phone. Thank you.”)

    Ahh, but when it’s a veritable ‘gang’ of gangly reps from the xy set, sauntering with their Kai straightening-ironed hair and outfits that are otherwise MOST CORRECT–save for a horizon of “mammal toe”?

    THEN. Then is when we have a case of “Mammal Toe Maximus”…(at which point I either volunteer or am elected to give the gents a stern “UH-UH.”)

    Let’s face it: it’s not about what section of a store a garment–or accessory!–comes from, nor is it about how inexpensive or astronomical the price tag. It’s how everything looks when put together: even and especially how an individual feels when wearing it.

    I’ve had my girly-pant experiences, so as far as I’m concerned? I’ll trump up my androgyny with accessories, girls’ jackets–hell, yesterday a pair of clunky galoshes in a most obtrusive Hustler pink.

    To reiterate: love love love your blog! If I weren’t procrastinating on a deadline as it is, I’d be flipping through some “How-To” guide in hopes of improving my *own* after this visit!

    Tear Down The Sky & Polish The Stars,
    Clint

    • http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

      Hello dear Clint, fellow writer and decadent! ;)

      Much love love love to you too! I’m a nomad; I’ve been popping in and out of LA over the past few years. But I’m backkkk in February and early March with one of my favorite Tokyo spooks. We’ve got big plans — let’s collaborate, let’s make things happen together!

      I’ll keep you posted on my February return; you can also reach me at gothiccarmina {at} gmail

      PS: the boys *did* experience exactly that — mammal toe from trying to fit into my girl-pants! Aptly worded, bravo.

  • http://allwomenstalk.com/ All Women Stalker

    When I was a bigger girl, I used to wear men's jeans all the time. I'm over that now. I try to stick to my own size now… in women's jeans style.

    -Denise

  • http://allwomenstalk.com/ All Women Stalker

    When I was a bigger girl, I used to wear men’s jeans all the time. I’m over that now. I try to stick to my own size now… in women’s jeans style.

    -Denise

  • http://allwomenstalk.com/ All Women Stalker

    When I was a bigger girl, I used to wear men's jeans all the time. I'm over that now. I try to stick to my own size now… in women's jeans style.

    -Denise

  • Jake cooper

    Thats cool..I never did wear the pants, other than a pair of old fatigues from my father’s military days. I prefer a tighter, more fitted look to my lower half if I’m in pants, so it’s just no-go for me…Post photos in Flickr which is almost certainly the best online photo management and sharing application in the world..
    Lost socks blog post

  • Jake cooper

    Thats cool..I never did wear the pants, other than a pair of old fatigues from my father's military days. I prefer a tighter, more fitted look to my lower half if I'm in pants, so it's just no-go for me…Post photos in Flickr which is almost certainly the best online photo management and sharing application in the world..
    Lost socks blog post

  • Melissa Carmichael

    I love girls’ pants…they fit me better as I am a skinny, feminine boy

    • http://www.lacarmina.com/blog lacarmina

      nice :)