VIDEO REMOVED FOR VIOLATING YOUTUBE COMMUNITY GUIDELINES. ARBITRARY, UNFAIR, CAPRICIOUS CENSORSHIP OF FETISH ART PERFORMANCE.

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Posted by La Carmina on June 13, 2010

VIDEO REMOVED FOR VIOLATING YOUTUBE COMMUNITY GUIDELINES. ARBITRARY, UNFAIR, CAPRICIOUS CENSORSHIP OF FETISH ART PERFORMANCE. copyright violation, took down video, removed videos youtube, warning strikes, reinstate channel

YouTube, this is my ANGRY face when I think of you right now!!!

YouTube removed my Black Veil Goth party video. Not for copyright reasons (I had permission to film and all the footage belonged to me). No, Herr YouTuben decrees: “Your video has been disabled for violating Community Guidelines.”

The Tube Nazi doesn’t tell users WHY they supposedly violated their “Community Guidelines.” Nor does it let users respond. Nope, YouTube simply removes your video and slaps you with a penalty, and that’s that. “Additional violations may result in the temporary disabling of your ability to post content to YouTube and/or the termination of your account.”

My guess is that Herr YouTuben removed my Black Veil video… because it has 20 seconds of a fetish performance at the very end.

I’ve uploaded the “offending” video above and here on MetaCafe. Watch the fetish clips at the end and decide for yourself. The submissive girl is not naked: she’s wearing underwear, and the lighting is very dark so you can hardly see anything. Yes, she is being flagellated, but the context is quite clear: this is a consensual stage performance by adults at a Gothic party.

This is not porn, gratuitous violence or shock material. This is more of a dark arts performance than anything sexual.

And I think if you watch the entire video, my intent is quite clear: I’m reporting on what goes on at Osaka’s Black Veil event. Most of the video is about DJ Taiki’s set, Kozi’s appearance, and The Dark Marchen’s avantgarde stage show. It wouldn’t be honest coverage to leave out the fetish clips — because this is a part of Gothic/Industrial subculture; this is what goes on at almost every Tokyo and Osaka Goth party. I don’t think it was right for YouTube to flag my channel, and leave other videos of animal and human cruelty standing.

YouTube has been engaging in other Nazi-like behavior lately. For instance, artist David Choi got his channel shut down for performing covers… hello, what about free use?

I’m not happy with YouTube. But they’re the leading video host, and a major connecting ground.

And so, I’ve posted the original video here on Metacafe. I put an edited version back on my YouTube channel (also above) with a RANT about their actions (so that my subscribers know what’s up). Let’s see if they take my free speech down, eh?

I’m curious to hear: what are your thoughts on this YouTube debacle? If you found this enraging, please Share this post on Facebook, Twitter and other social networks — let’s get the word out.

PS: don’t forget to read the story of DJ Taiki’s Black Veil Goth ball in this post.

UPDATE: This is getting more ridiculous by the minute. Metacafe pulled my video as well. But DJ Taiki uploaded a video of Black Veil that shows naked boobs, fetish whipping… and YouTube hasn’t taken it down. Yet…

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90 Comments

PockyChu

lol. Silly reason for them to take it down.
JNova

Wait wait wait…. so this video has been banned, but it’s perfectly acceptable for LADY GAGA’S NEW GAY BONDAGE NUN RAPE VIDEO ‘ALEJANDRO’ to be posted???

*sigh*
Lindsay

Ugh, YouTube is sometimes special needs. >:T
Laura

Honestly I’ve seen much worse survive on YouTube without getting flagged, that sucks! (But it looks like her breasts are bared?)

And unfortunately, covers aren’t a fair use in most countries, I learned that the hard way. There’s two layers of copyright: on the performance of the music by the original artist, and also on the music itself (when performed by anyone).
Dukebrady13

Guess they didn’t your video up at the same time as Gaga’s. Ppl might compare them & judge hers as the truly lame derivative corporate product that it is.
Nick

why dont they just put an age filter on it if they didnt think it was appropriate?
DDollie

That indeed is a strange move for You Tube to just take down that video like unless someone flag the video for inappropriate or You Tube got their balls squeezed on again. I did not see anything wrong done here. Sad to see you had to alter a video that cover an event in Tokyo that happens all the time. What will they do next?
Niftyoptionstip

hi
:-O
i visit your website , the information and the messeage u r trying to give is simply awesome ,

i love to ur site again and again

thanks metrogyl
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Avery

ove the vid, good to see my scene still strong :D
Brandy

I do not see anything wrong with this. They have keep much worse stuff up.
Michael

Google is evil…
Meg

I haven’t seen your video, but I have seen a music video on YouTube that has vaginas in it…
exactly what guideline are you supposed to be violating? =
Lucian

Maybe copyright issues on some of the background music?…
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  Nope, no copyright infringement. The email says “The following video(s) from your account have been disabled for violation of the YouTube Community Guidelines” and that’s it.
ExoticJapan

That sucks. What a lame excuse that was that YouTube gave you.
Anonymous

such a cool video. that dj rocks! i looove the fetish scene! s&m between consenting adults is fabulous, in my humble opinion. i don’t know much about YouTube or if they have any videos online similar to yours. i know nothing about their policies, but i think they should have communicated clearly their reasoning to you. some of the submissive girl’s goodies appear to be hangin’ out (can’t really tell because the lighting is quite dark), and she’s being flaggelated. i’m torn, because although i love this, i can’t really blame the old fogeys for wanting to protect the under 12′s.
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  I think they should have communicated the problem to me, and allowed me to remove the video or edit it — instead of penalizing me. (If I ‘offend’ them again, they’ll pull the channel.) Or put an age filter on it… >__<
http://twitter.com/miscastdice Evan S.

Man, that sucks….. and it’s definitely singling out the goth/actual fetish performance community since stuff like Lady Gaga’s is still up. I guess it’s only against the rules if the submissive person is enjoying it??? o.O

*waits for them to take down the Dahlia Tour White Poem live if male sub is suddenly seen as OMG AGAINST TEH RULZ LOL*
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  The submissive person in the Osaka video is enjoying it, very much so! hahah!
http://www.japaneseties.blogspot.com Adelaide Ben

Hmmm – I mean whilst I don’t have a problem with this (at all), I have to say that YouTube is kinda well famous for keeping even borderline stuff off. I guess the problem is finding the right host. As for whether they’re hipocritical, I guess they are… but as you found there’s always alternatives.

Still looked like a good night – and good get the post out eventually.

And yes – that sour puss face should be punishment enough! ;`)
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  It’s just upsetting because I built up a large number of subscribers on YouTube, and yet so much is out of my hands and things can get shut down any second?? Not cool…
Benway for the Nova Police

Having standards is one thing. Having arbitrary standards that are inscrutable and simply increase the level of self-censorship are another. I suspect they have a bunch of immature dildos and dildettes who capriciously take down videos when it suits their current mood. I just had a run-in with Raw Story where their so-called moderators were running wild like a bunch of 2-year-olds with too much sugar. Fortunately, the owner reads his e-mail and disciplined the little knuckleheads. Trouble with Google is you really can’t get through to the honchos.
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  Exactly, there is no recourse. I saw instances of people who got their channels shut down, and the notice even says they can’t argue it or get them back…
PockyChu

lol. Silly reason for them to take it down.
JNova

Wait wait wait…. so this video has been banned, but it's perfectly acceptable for LADY GAGA'S NEW GAY BONDAGE NUN RAPE VIDEO 'ALEJANDRO' to be posted???

*sigh*
Lindsay

Ugh, YouTube is sometimes special needs. >:T
Laura

Honestly I've seen much worse survive on YouTube without getting flagged, that sucks! (But it looks like her breasts are bared?)

And unfortunately, covers aren't a fair use in most countries, I learned that the hard way. There's two layers of copyright: on the performance of the music by the original artist, and also on the music itself (when performed by anyone).
Dukebrady13

Guess they didn't your video up at the same time as Gaga's. Ppl might compare them & judge hers as the truly lame derivative corporate product that it is.
Nick

why dont they just put an age filter on it if they didnt think it was appropriate?
DDollie

That indeed is a strange move for You Tube to just take down that video like unless someone flag the video for inappropriate or You Tube got their balls squeezed on again. I did not see anything wrong done here. Sad to see you had to alter a video that cover an event in Tokyo that happens all the time. What will they do next?
http://twitter.com/Dravarious Yukiro Dravarious

Youtube banned my Medusa video too, and it’s so harmless!! I really wish to upload it since I worked so much with it *grrr*

as for the fetish show, I love the dominatrix lady, she had the best outfit ever! too bad we didnt get a good picture of her =/
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  That’s so stupid!! >__< So much great Art is lost because of YouTube's policies!!
Niftyoptionstip

hi
:-O
i visit your website , the information and the messeage u r trying to give is simply awesome ,

i love to ur site again and again

thanks metrogyl
http://supernsetips.com/Best-Options-tips-basic…
Avery

ove the vid, good to see my scene still strong :D
Brandy

I do not see anything wrong with this. They have keep much worse stuff up.
Michael

Google is evil…
Meg

I haven't seen your video, but I have seen a music video on YouTube that has vaginas in it…
exactly what guideline are you supposed to be violating? =
Lucian

Maybe copyright issues on some of the background music?…
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Nope, no copyright infringement. The email says “The following video(s) from your account have been disabled for violation of the YouTube Community Guidelines” and that's it.
ExoticJapan

That sucks. What a lame excuse that was that YouTube gave you.
mariesfbayarea

such a cool video. that dj rocks! i looove the fetish scene! s&m between consenting adults is fabulous, in my humble opinion. i don't know much about YouTube or if they have any videos online similar to yours. i know nothing about their policies, but i think they should have communicated clearly their reasoning to you. some of the submissive girl's goodies appear to be hangin' out (can't really tell because the lighting is quite dark), and she's being flaggelated. i'm torn, because although i love this, i can't really blame the old fogeys for wanting to protect the under 12's.
http://www.myspace.com/shadowpal2 shadowpal2

Actually now that I think of it…this is so typical of the new YouTube…the new damn totalitarian fascist YouTube.

I mean have you guys noticed that there has been just a shit ton of ads before like every video, music is always being censored because of “copyright” reasons, YouTube always trying to follow the 1st suspect it sees – which means if you do something wrong right at the beginning…they’ll constantly THINK you’re doing the wrong thing over and over again…and then the whole “type in the image to post more comments”, and then “YOU MUST HAVE A GOOGLE ACCOUNT to use YouTube” – and although I have a Google account and use tools like GMail, Maps, Earth, Reader, Wave and Picasa – it makes no sense to have deleted all the other people’s regular YouTube account and then force them into having a Google account.

Just because Google bought YouTube for $1.65 billion…it does not mean that they’d have to go through a complete takeover of the site and CONVERT everybody to the Google ways…- but that’s just good business – FOR THEM.

Fuckers…

Anyway glad to see the video on Metacafe…I really loved the music Taiki san put on – sounds great. Still hope you had the best of fun…and forget about the YouTube thing…it’s just getting ridiculous with them.

Just stick to the other video sites such as DailyMotion, Vimeo, Metacafe, or Veoh. Hope it helps!
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  Hahah! You hit upon my frustrations EXACTLY! So many things have been frustrating me about YouTube lately. I wonder what will happen and if this will continue..
Riff

Yeah, I think everyone is confused as to why Lady Gags is allowed to savage her crotch on Youtube but you’re not allowed to have some dim footage of not-nearly-hardcore bondage.

Oh, right, it’s okay if it’s mainstream. (I really resent Lady Gaga for appropriating underground club fashion and putting it forth like some provocative original style of hers…)

By the way, I’ve seen a video of a guy in a latex Spiderman costume caressing himself on Youtube.
Granted, he did make that private after a while, but, to my knowledge, it was never removed.
But a bit of nipple JUST MAKES EVERYONE GO CRAZY.
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  Lady Gaga = money and views for YouTube = anything goes!
  Ahaha that is hilarious about the Spiderman!
http://www.japaneseties.blogspot.com Adelaide Ben

Hmmm – I mean whilst I don't have a problem with this (at all), I have to say that YouTube is kinda well famous for keeping even borderline stuff off. I guess the problem is finding the right host. As for whether they're hipocritical, I guess they are… but as you found there's always alternatives.

Still looked like a good night – and good get the post out eventually.

And yes – that sour puss face should be punishment enough! ;`)
Benway for the Nova Police

Having standards is one thing. Having arbitrary standards that are inscrutable and simply increase the level of self-censorship are another. I suspect they have a bunch of immature dildos and dildettes who capriciously take down videos when it suits their current mood. I just had a run-in with Raw Story where their so-called moderators were running wild like a bunch of 2-year-olds with too much sugar. Fortunately, the owner reads his e-mail and disciplined the little knuckleheads. Trouble with Google is you really can't get through to the honchos.
http://twitter.com/Dravarious Yukiro Dravarious

Youtube banned my Medusa video too, and it's so harmless!! I really wish to upload it since I worked so much with it *grrr*

as for the fetish show, I love the dominatrix lady, she had the best outfit ever! too bad we didnt get a good picture of her =/
Maleva

nonsense…. :(
Sarah

Sorry you got flagged. I watched the full verzion and well. idk. You tube likes to choices favorites i think. People you can do waht ever the fuck they want and peo[ple who follow the rules and still get punished.
Dawn

As others have said, I’ve seen much worse on YouTube! And I can’t see how this violates any agreement, since this is obviously a stage performance.
Meg

I never gotten that one.. damn.
Maybe someone just reported it.
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  If someone reported it, it sure backfired on them because now SO many people know how YouTube arbitrarily pulls videos…
Riff

Yeah, I think everyone is confused as to why Lady Gags is allowed to savage her crotch on Youtube but you're not allowed to have some dim footage of not-nearly-hardcore bondage.

Oh, right, it's okay if it's mainstream. (I really resent Lady Gaga for appropriating underground club fashion and putting it forth like some provocative original style of hers…)

By the way, I've seen a video of a guy in a latex Spiderman costume caressing himself on Youtube.
Granted, he did make that private after a while, but, to my knowledge, it was never removed.
But a bit of nipple JUST MAKES EVERYONE GO CRAZY.
http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

I think it’s missing the point a little to call YouTube’s activity (whether fair or unfair) anti-free speech and so on. YouTube is a business, and definitely shouldn’t be thought of as an unalienable right. They’re going to choose what content to have in order to make them profit. YouTube has strayed away from the alternative, indie video scene (which started as their original concept) for years now and their commercial behaviors are, at least to me, really predictable at this point. I think people should consider giving more attention to the less-mainstream services if they really want a networking place. If we really want to continue to have our voice and art heard on the net we need to empower ourselves by avoiding the mainstream outlets. What do you think?
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  That’s part of my dilemma. YouTube is THE leader when it comes to video hosting. Whenever you, me and friends look up a song or post one on Facebook, we go to YouTube. Just as we go to Google for search.
  
  I don’t have a problem with putting my fun videos on a different hosting site. But my “reporting” videos have the goal of getting the word out on Japan’s subculture and arts: such as Osaka’s Goth scene at Black Veil. This is a culture that very few people would be able to see for themselves, and I want to support the scene by having the information to reach as large an audience as possible. (and I have close to 3000 subscribers on YouTube.)
  
  So it’s a struggle… perhaps a balance of using non-mainstream outlets that embrace darker material, and the mainstream ones but with caveats…
  - http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon
    
    That’s true, in a way we still need YouTube to carry out such activities…it’s not exactly possible to have the same influence with the alternative hosters. I think you’re right in saying we’ll have to find a happy medium by using both.
    - http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon
      
      Oh, and yes, my blog is gone…my host is trying to figure out what’s wrong with the server XD
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  PS: I think your blog has disappeared again?? :
Maleva

nonsense…. :(
Dawn

As others have said, I've seen much worse on YouTube! And I can't see how this violates any agreement, since this is obviously a stage performance.
Meg

I never gotten that one.. damn.
Maybe someone just reported it.
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

If someone reported it, it sure backfired on them because now SO many people know how YouTube arbitrarily pulls videos…
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

I think they should have communicated the problem to me, and allowed me to remove the video or edit it — instead of penalizing me. (If I 'offend' them again, they'll pull the channel.) Or put an age filter on it… >__<
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

The submissive person in the Osaka video is enjoying it, very much so! hahah!
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

It's just upsetting because I built up a large number of subscribers on YouTube, and yet so much is out of my hands and things can get shut down any second?? Not cool…
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Exactly, there is no recourse. I saw instances of people who got their channels shut down, and the notice even says they can't argue it or get them back…
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

That's so stupid!! >__< So much great Art is lost because of YouTube's policies!!
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Hahah! You hit upon my frustrations EXACTLY! So many things have been frustrating me about YouTube lately. I wonder what will happen and if this will continue..
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Lady Gaga = money and views for YouTube = anything goes!
Ahaha that is hilarious about the Spiderman!
http://www.facebook.com/eunice.ayame.yin Ayame

There really isn’t anything wrong with your video. I like it and it’s perfectly fine, it’s clearly a report on a stage show. I think it’s just business, you don’t actually pay Youtube to show your video, but Lady Gaga does. And I think her new video is ridiculous. Ridiculously ridiculous.
- http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina
  
  Ridiculously so! Heheh I have a feeling you’ll love the ridiculous photos of the Ridiculous store…
  - http://www.facebook.com/eunice.ayame.yin Ayame
    
    Ridiculous Store? :D
http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

I think it's missing the point a little to call YouTube's activity (whether fair or unfair) anti-free speech and so on. YouTube is a business, and definitely shouldn't be thought of as an unalienable right. They're going to choose what content to have in order to make them profit. YouTube has strayed away from the alternative, indie video scene (which started as their original concept) for years now and their commercial behaviors are, at least to me, really predictable at this point. I think people should consider giving more attention to the less-mainstream services if they really want a networking place. If we really want to continue to have our voice and art heard on the net we need to empower ourselves by avoiding the mainstream outlets. What do you think?
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

That's part of my dilemma. YouTube is THE leader when it comes to video hosting. Whenever you, me and friends look up a song or post one on Facebook, we go to YouTube. Just as we go to Google for search.

I don't have a problem with putting my fun videos on a different hosting site. But my “reporting” videos have the goal of getting the word out on Japan's subculture and arts: such as Osaka's Goth scene at Black Veil. This is a culture that very few people would be able to see for themselves, and I want to support the scene by having the information to reach as large an audience as possible. (and I have close to 3000 subscribers on YouTube.)

So it's a struggle… perhaps a balance of using non-mainstream outlets that embrace darker material, and the mainstream ones but with caveats…
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

PS: I think your blog has disappeared again?? :
David

What a load of BS! Don’t worry Bazzie, I’d cue up the “angry face” too.
Ayame

There really isn't anything wrong with your video. I like it and it's perfectly fine, it's clearly a report on a stage show. I think it's just business, you don't actually pay Youtube to show your video, but Lady Gaga does. And I think her new video is ridiculous. Ridiculously ridiculous.
MoonMaiden90

this is just stupid! I’ve seen WAY worse things that should have been taken from youtube…& u’ve clearly pointed out all the things here that they couldv’e had a problem with but shouldn’t…*blah*
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Ridiculously so! Heheh I have a feeling you'll love the ridiculous photos of the Ridiculous store…
Ayame

Ridiculous Store? :D
David

What a load of BS! Don't worry Bazzie, I'd cue up the “angry face” too.
MoonMaiden90

this is just stupid! I've seen WAY worse things that should have been taken from youtube…& u've clearly pointed out all the things here that they couldv'e had a problem with but shouldn't…*blah*
http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

That's true, in a way we still need YouTube to carry out such activities…it's not exactly possible to have the same influence with the alternative hosters. I think you're right in saying we'll have to find a happy medium by using both.
http://silver.itsumo-online.net/ Lemon

Oh, and yes, my blog is gone…my host is trying to figure out what's wrong with the server XD
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Sigh, yeah… it’s annoying because I’m not trying to put up shocking or sexual material. But the world doesn’t see it that way…
- http://amphisbaina.livejournal.com/ Kalyiel
  
  I’m sorry this kind of thing keeps on happening… :( And I’m also sorry I wasn’t able to see the original vid in the end. :(
http://amphisbaina.livejournal.com/ Kalyiel

I've only just seen your post, and I hate to point out the fact that when I try to view the Metacafe vid, it says “This video has been removed from Metacafe”… So unless you have deleted it yourself, it means that whatever's wrong with the YouTube policies is wrong with the Metacafe regulations as well… :(
http://www.lacarmina.com lacarmina

Sigh, yeah… it's annoying because I'm not trying to put up shocking or sexual material. But the world doesn't see it that way…
http://amphisbaina.livejournal.com/ Kalyiel

I'm sorry this kind of thing keeps on happening… :( And I'm also sorry I wasn't able to see the original vid in the end. :(